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CHILDREN IN NEED - 2012

Presented by Terry Wogan, Fearne Cotton and Tumble Tower (November 2012)

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Critique
scottishtv posted:
Andrew posted:
Nick Grimshaw is an odd choice co-presenting with Terry, what with him being a man.

I've not watched much of Grimmer's telly work before, and I'm amazed at how good a presenter on-screen he is.

He's looked far more comfortable with Terry's rambling than Fern and Tess have, and has also done some good interviews with guest (including a disabled young man) and his chatty style put them totally at ease on live TV. I'm impressed.


I think he either was or is a presenter on T4. I'm sure I've seen him on T4 as a presenter before, in fact. So Live TV shouldn't be completely new.
:-(
A former member
Simple little trailer on BBC One Scotland this morning for the highlights show:

http://www.theidentgallery.com/bbc1/BBC1-2012-TRAILER-NEEDSCOTLAND-1-2.jpg

Video here
DA
davidmcg
Critique posted:
scottishtv posted:
Andrew posted:
Nick Grimshaw is an odd choice co-presenting with Terry, what with him being a man.

I've not watched much of Grimmer's telly work before, and I'm amazed at how good a presenter on-screen he is.

He's looked far more comfortable with Terry's rambling than Fern and Tess have, and has also done some good interviews with guest (including a disabled young man) and his chatty style put them totally at ease on live TV. I'm impressed.


I think he either was or is a presenter on T4. I'm sure I've seen him on T4 as a presenter before, in fact. So Live TV shouldn't be completely new.


He's a surprisingly good presenter, I don't think T4 is live though. He did a music show for BBC Switch too.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Grimmers is by far a more suitable longterm Terry Wogan, replacement than either Moyles or Evans, who have both been suggested in the past. He ran his parts seemlessly and also related well to the more serious parts of the programme.
DJ
DJ Dave
Have to Agree it was total pants this year, 1D were bad and Girls aloud, watching it back now and nothing is that great. I'm glad I sky+ it and watched Corrie and Get me Out of Here Rolling Eyes
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Tumble Tower posted:
Almost time for Bridge Over Troubled Water to be sung by regional children's choirs all around the country simultaneously.

Don't worry folks, I promise this will work perfectly, this sort of thing has been done before on CIN night many times before.


I was under the impression that the "regional bounce song" has been an absolute car crash on several occasions, which is why they dropped it for a number of years.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
James Vertigan posted:
I assume all the choirs across the country are being linked back to TVC through the respective BBC regional news galleries? Certainly shows which regions have newer equipment with the picture quality of each link!


I would have thought that TVC would have downlinked the various OBs directly. Presumably if everything is done on the same satellite with reasonably similar kit at each OB site, the relative delays between each contribution should be negligible?
TO
topdog2006
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
Almost time for Bridge Over Troubled Water to be sung by regional children's choirs all around the country simultaneously.

Don't worry folks, I promise this will work perfectly, this sort of thing has been done before on CIN night many times before.


I was under the impression that the "regional bounce song" has been an absolute car crash on several occasions, which is why they dropped it for a number of years.


Can't recall it ever being a disaster on CIN, although I remember an attempt during Last Night of the Proms a few years ago which I think failed spectacularly due to the various time delays.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Westy2 posted:
Why do the regional opt outs finish earlier in the evening than when CIN started in the 80's?

Is it down to the fact many of the OBs & some of the BBC studios are in premises owned by 3rd parties, which have to shut early, union rules, financial reasons or a combination of all?

Remember BBC Pebble Mill used to opt out up to midnight.


How many of the regional opts were done from studio sites? There is likely to be a licensing issue with these outdoor events and how late they can continue, much like music gigs being pulled abruptly at the time the license requires.
DV
dvboy
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Tumble Tower posted:
Almost time for Bridge Over Troubled Water to be sung by regional children's choirs all around the country simultaneously.

Don't worry folks, I promise this will work perfectly, this sort of thing has been done before on CIN night many times before.


I was under the impression that the "regional bounce song" has been an absolute car crash on several occasions, which is why they dropped it for a number of years.


I did wonder if Tumble Tower had mastered the art of sarcasm.

Then I wondered if this applied to every post.
NG
noggin Founding member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
James Vertigan posted:
I assume all the choirs across the country are being linked back to TVC through the respective BBC regional news galleries? Certainly shows which regions have newer equipment with the picture quality of each link!


I would have thought that TVC would have downlinked the various OBs directly. Presumably if everything is done on the same satellite with reasonably similar kit at each OB site, the relative delays between each contribution should be negligible?


Think they use a variety of backhauls, from low-latency fibre to high-latency MPEG4 satellite circuits. Different routes will be used for the cleanfeeds - from embedded/separate 4-wires with little latency, GSM or PSTN TBUs and Satcomms.

The round trip delay for the backing track they are singing to to get to the OB, then the pictures and sound to get back to London, could vary from frames to seconds.

So they usually create a multitrack recording of the backing track with a track delayed appropriately dedicated to each OB/remote studio. The OB with the longest round-trip delay gets sent the undelayed track, the studio in London and the least delayed OBs get the most delayed track, so by the time all the OBs arrive back in the studio, they are all equally delayed and match.

I think you do this by feeding every OB the track, and asking them to send it back down their music circuit. You can then delay each feed appropriately so that they all arrive in sync.

If you start on the studio, and want to cue the track for the studio instantly, then the more delayed OBs won't be fed the very start potentially (but if they're not singing on-screen for a while then it doesn't matter)
Last edited by noggin on 17 November 2012 1:33pm - 3 times in total
NG
noggin Founding member
Tumble Tower posted:
Westy2 posted:
Why do the regional opt outs finish earlier in the evening than when CIN started in the 80's?

In the late 1990s I think there used to be a regional split lasting circa 11:40pm to midnight. I have CIN 1996 to 1999 inclusive on VHS, I could check my tapes some time to see.


The later opts were optional in the mid-90s ISTR - with only some English regions like Leeds opting, whilst others, like Norwich, didn't.

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