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SP
Steve in Pudsey
AlexS posted:
Could Scotland just have not opted and one of the breakfast presenters could’ve read the headlines for Scotland?


No technical reason why with a bit of notice, although it would have also gone out on the News Channel. And would probably have had an awkward gap at the end because they would be reading the same script that the announcer did. I'm not sure what benefit that would have had.

Why would it have gone out on the news channel? The News Channel takes the London opt during breakfast and that was broadcast as scheduled.

The Breakfast gallery in Salford takes BBC London to air, and the News Channel stays with the output from Salford.

If the presenters in Salford do something to sustain Scotland as universal_r proposes that would go out on the NC. And any other region that fails to opt for whatever reason.
DE
deejay
Well whatever the circumstances, I think the Scotland announcer did a very good job at sustaining an opt when the other option available (London) would have been far worse. Yes the initial visual chosen wasn’t ideal but it was probably the best available at the time. (Suspect it may have been left on the output of the news studio and may have been the only thing to hand).
NG
noggin Founding member
IIRC during the 2008 Olympics (or some similar event) Breakfast moved to BBC2, which prevented many of the opts. On that occasion TC7 did a paper review to fill the time, but it has never been standard.

Presumably on the occasion Ballyboy mentions London developed a problem too close to an opt to get a feed from an alternative region (usually Southampton) so they ad-libbed a paper review to fill the time.


Yes, though I think Tunbridge Wells is now the first choice (with notice) if London can't provide the bulletin ?

I suspect part of the procedure is to tell the replacement region NOT to opt, but stay on network, to avoid any comedy howl-round ?

Certainly a few years ago London output is not in the sustaining feed
.... it is opted out like any other region ....


Except during Breakfast when AIUI BBC London is still the sustaining feed during the short regional opts, and BBC London doesn't opt-out locally in London for them (instead Salford cut to BBC London's gallery output).

The reason for this, is that at other times the sustaining network feed (that would go out when regions don't opt-out) would carry the BBC News Channel - but the News Channel is carrying Breakfast at that time of the morning, so between 0600 and 0830 doesn't work as a sustaining feed.

Additionally the version of Breakfast carried on the BBC News Channel 0600-0830 needs something to fill in the gaps during the regional opts, so Breakfast's gallery would need either to fill these gaps with output (I suspect those opts are VERY useful for catching breath, automating new running orders etc.), put a break filler out that worked on BBC One HD and BBC News Channel, or take a region via their gallery.

There will be a strong wish not to have to staff the News Channel gallery to opt-out every 30 minutes to fill the gaps I'm sure...
Last edited by noggin on 11 December 2020 9:35am - 2 times in total
TH
Thistle
From what I understand, there was an issue which I won't disclose on here which meant that the bulletin could not make it to air.
The CA was offered what we saw on TV and was sent scripts. Scotland's preferred option when things go wrong is to stay away from London. As others have mentioned, the London bulletin is carried on the clean feed so the CA did not have another option.
It may not have looked the smoothest, but the country still got a morning news bulletin.
AL
ALV
Back in the days with "UK Today" for News 24 and the sustaining feed, everything made much more sense with Breakfast opt outs... from the operational standpoint. Backup news bulletins for all the regions and nations! Sadly, the BBC doesn't have much funding freedom nowadays, the last thing they want to do is to waste money on programmes with low ratings.
JO
Joe
And quite rightly. It makes little sense to put together news bulletins every morning that you intend nobody to see.
MA
Markymark


One thing did confuse me - I think Tony Currie has said that alarms go off if they stay on a still image for too long. I guess finding something animating (other than the breakdown caption) would be too difficult?



Any alarm in this context to only to make someone aware of a possible issue I'd have thought?

It does highlight there is no moving station ident that can be used in an enduring manner.

I remember in the 80s the presenter's camera at Southampton failing at the start of a breakfast opt. The presenter, Gordon Radley paused, sighed, and punched up the COW ident and carried on, I think that was used for the subsequent opts that morning
JA
JAS84
Can't the BBC generic ribbon ident mentioned earlier serve that purpose? ITV of course has the breakbumper loop.
MA
Markymark
JAS84 posted:
Can't the BBC generic ribbon ident mentioned earlier serve that purpose? ITV of course has the breakbumper loop.


It certainly could, though the BBC only seem to use it 'internally' !
SP
Steve in Pudsey
That originates from RedBee. The circuit it sustains was carrying the London opt during this incident.

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