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(June 2004)

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NG
noggin Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
noggin posted:
chrisb posted:
Hymagumba posted:
The clever bit though is how it stays still with so much camera movement.


That's the bit I actually find quite distracting. The camera is quite often whooshing around and it does become a little irritating after a while.


Yes - there is a degree of hosepiping in the camerawork. Part of this is "because we can" movement.

However there are also production "issues" with using the back wall VR for insets etc. It is very difficult to do clean cuts to different "inset" sources etc with the VR. I think that it is not that easy with the ITN system to do a background and foreground cut at the same time? So you can't easily cleanly change the VR backing on a camera change, to allow an in-vision turn AND background change at the same time - instead you have to fudge it with an animate? This means doing a camera move between shots is easier than cutting between cameras - as the move allows time for the animate?

I suspect there is also a lot of use of the jib to justify having it...


The tension between overuse of technology and properly motivated shots is an interesting one. Whic particular shots do you guys think could be better served with something different? On the animation point, surely it's simply a subjective artistic decision to see the animations - often there would an apparent continuity error if a background suddenly changed on a shot cut.


It is more a case of the story insets - which appear "stuck" on the background changing. I don't think there is a continuity error on other news programmes when the graphic "inset" or "window key" appears on a cut.
SJ
sjhoward
liviboy posted:
One other point about CSO - how does ITV News get a 'refelction' on the glass on their table top if their newsroom is just one huge long greenscreen? shouldnt we see a reflection of dull green?


I still don't think the reflection looks quite right. When you have the front-shot of the presenters, the reflection in the desk appears as it would if the wall was right up behind the presenters... a bit like this:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/deak.GIF

It doesn't take into account the (sizeable) gap between the desk and the screen. It *should* reflect what's much higher up the screen.

I admit that this might be completely wrong, because I'm not very good at seeing things like this in 3D, but it just doesn't look right to me.
JH
Jonathan H
tillyoshea posted:
I still don't think the reflection looks quite right. When you have the front-shot of the presenters, the reflection in the desk appears as it would if the wall was right up behind the presenters... a bit like this:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/deak.GIF

It doesn't take into account the (sizeable) gap between the desk and the screen. It *should* reflect what's much higher up the screen.


Given your excellent little graphic, how should it look then? Anyone got a grab of the shot in question to let us ponder this?
SJ
sjhoward
Jonathan H posted:
Given your excellent little graphic, how should it look then? Anyone got a grab of the shot in question to let us ponder this?


I haven't got a grab of the actual shot, but to give you an idea of how it should look, consider this:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/exam2.jpg

The distance between the monitor and the desk is smaller here, and so the effect smaller, but you'll notice that the reflection is not equidistant from the actual text.

Here's a crudely edited version to show the current computer-generated reflection effect on the current set:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/exam.jpg

I hope you can understand the idea I'm trying to get across!
NG
noggin Founding member
tillyoshea posted:
Jonathan H posted:
Given your excellent little graphic, how should it look then? Anyone got a grab of the shot in question to let us ponder this?


I haven't got a grab of the actual shot, but to give you an idea of how it should look, consider this:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/exam2.jpg

The distance between the monitor and the desk is smaller here, and so the effect smaller, but you'll notice that the reflection is not equidistant from the actual text.

Here's a crudely edited version to show the current computer-generated reflection effect on the current set:

http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/exam.jpg

I hope you can understand the idea I'm trying to get across!


The position of the reflection in such a real shot is massively altered by the height of the camera and its tilt angle as well, which is influenced by the height of the presenter.

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