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(June 2007)

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SP
Steve in Pudsey
deejay posted:
I'm not aware of any English Regions that use live continuity announcements, though it would be technically possible in a few centres.


I can't think of any region where the idea of mixing a live mic over a recorded symbol should be a problem - it wouldn't necessarily have to be done via the pres gallery
DE
deejay
No indeed - a live announcement could be done via either the main gallery or a pres gallery. However, the reason I said that some centres could do live announcements, is that not all have commentary booths any more. Newer sites haven't bothered to build them. A live announcer would have to sit in the TV Studio or other quietish room with a wallbox in a site without a V/O Booth.

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tvmercia Founding member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
deejay posted:
I'm not aware of any English Regions that use live continuity announcements, though it would be technically possible in a few centres.


I can't think of any region where the idea of mixing a live mic over a recorded symbol should be a problem - it wouldn't necessarily have to be done via the pres gallery

well most centres have a few radio studios, one of which is usually spare. not beyond the realms of possibility to get a mic patched through to the gallery sound desk and talk back the other way. however i suppose the sticking point is, who would do it? i suppose radio presenters are the nearest thing to continuity announcers that exist in the regions.

seems silly that the flagship junctions are wasted with pre recorded annos. would make sense to do them live and use them to plug network programmes of specific interest to the region/local radio. would make bbc one seem a lot less remote.

however id imagine that idea would not be particularly popular in london.
DE
deejay
tvmercia posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
deejay posted:
I'm not aware of any English Regions that use live continuity announcements, though it would be technically possible in a few centres.


I can't think of any region where the idea of mixing a live mic over a recorded symbol should be a problem - it wouldn't necessarily have to be done via the pres gallery

well most centres have a few radio studios, one of which is usually spare. not beyond the realms of possibility to get a mic patched through to the gallery sound desk and talk back the other way. however i suppose the sticking point is, who would do it? i suppose radio presenters are the nearest thing to continuity announcers that exist in the regions.

seems silly that the flagship junctions are wasted with pre recorded annos. would make sense to do them live and use them to plug network programmes of specific interest to the region/local radio. would make bbc one seem a lot less remote.

however id imagine that idea would not be particularly popular in london.


English Regions get 10 seconds to opt out of the network symbol. At least 2" is required to let the symbol establish itself before the announcer says anything. Then s/he has to identifiy the channel and that it is broadcasting to the South/West/North East... then introduce the One/Six/Ten o'clock News with <Net Presenter 1> / <Net Presenter 2> and <Regional Presenter>. There isn't time to promote that on BBC Radio somewhere, you can hear <Presenter> with the Drivetime show. There literally isn't time for a local radio or online plug with the current schedules!
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tvmercia Founding member
deejay posted:
tvmercia posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
deejay posted:
I'm not aware of any English Regions that use live continuity announcements, though it would be technically possible in a few centres.


I can't think of any region where the idea of mixing a live mic over a recorded symbol should be a problem - it wouldn't necessarily have to be done via the pres gallery

well most centres have a few radio studios, one of which is usually spare. not beyond the realms of possibility to get a mic patched through to the gallery sound desk and talk back the other way. however i suppose the sticking point is, who would do it? i suppose radio presenters are the nearest thing to continuity announcers that exist in the regions.

seems silly that the flagship junctions are wasted with pre recorded annos. would make sense to do them live and use them to plug network programmes of specific interest to the region/local radio. would make bbc one seem a lot less remote.

however id imagine that idea would not be particularly popular in london.


English Regions get 10 seconds to opt out of the network symbol. At least 2" is required to let the symbol establish itself before the announcer says anything. Then s/he has to identifiy the channel and that it is broadcasting to the South/West/North East... then introduce the One/Six/Ten o'clock News with <Net Presenter 1> / <Net Presenter 2> and <Regional Presenter>. There isn't time to promote that on BBC Radio somewhere, you can hear <Presenter> with the Drivetime show. There literally isn't time for a local radio or online plug with the current schedules!


midlands stopped name-checking the national presenter ages ago.

time could be found if they wanted to do it, bbc one wouldn't fall off air if they dropped one of the trails between programmes.
PE
Pete Founding member
tvmercia posted:
bbc one wouldn't fall off air if they dropped one of the trails between programmes.


I think your friends in marketing would disagree.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
tvmercia posted:
well most centres have a few radio studios, one of which is usually spare. not beyond the realms of possibility to get a mic patched through to the gallery sound desk and talk back the other way. however i suppose the sticking point is, who would do it? i suppose radio presenters are the nearest thing to continuity announcers that exist in the regions.


Ah perfect - give Levy his old job of regional continuity announcer back and let somebody who can do news do news!
DE
deejay
Hymagumba posted:
tvmercia posted:
bbc one wouldn't fall off air if they dropped one of the trails between programmes.


I think your friends in marketing would disagree.


Indeed! When regions run trails outside their usual slots (1345 and 1856), english regions marketing actually have to buy the airtime from central marketing. Interesting that BBC Birmingham no longer name check the national presenters. It would save an awful lot of grief. I'm sure you can imagine how many prerecorded annos most centres have in their system to have all the likely combinations of national and regional presenters. There have been a lot of unusual network combinations recently, so you may have noticed that regional symbols have been a bit scarce lately (though this is also due to the fact that news wanted a specific mention of "Huw Edwards in Basra and Fiona Bruce in the studio" or whatever...)

However, when the integrated news programmes at 1, 6 and 10 were brought in years ago (still with BBC One clocks!) I'm pretty sure that it was laid down from on high that regions should name check presenters in the aforementioned mannar and not use the 10" of airtime for anything else.
WE
Westy2
deejay posted:
marketing actually have to buy the airtime from central marketing.


So much for 'One BBC' !
BA
bilky asko
brotherton sands posted:
ddoubt posted:
im like ITV's intro though


But ITV1 don't have idents leading into region news though! Confused Unless you're saying there's an announcement over the opening wideshot of the Calendar studio?

If Calendar South had a geographic verbal announcement into the programme, it would be very cumbersome:

" Now on ITV1, across Lincolnshire, the East Riding of Yorkshire, much of the South Yorkshire county, plus the north midlands and north Norfolk, it's Calendar, with... " Laughing Wink


How could you forget "a couple of towns in the south of North Yorkshire"?
IS
Inspector Sands
Steve in Pudsey posted:
deejay posted:
I'm not aware of any English Regions that use live continuity announcements, though it would be technically possible in a few centres.


I can't think of any region where the idea of mixing a live mic over a recorded symbol should be a problem - it wouldn't necessarily have to be done via the pres gallery


Indeed, the studio centres have lots of microphones that can be used even if it's a lapel mic on the studio floor

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