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New Look Andrew Marr Show

(October 2015)

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SN
The SNT Three

Robert Peston and itv must be laughing.

I doubt it. It will be interesting to see what in roads Peston and ITV make. The previous ITV incarnations of their Sunday political shows faired poorly against Breakfast with Frost and Andrew Marr's replacement shows.


The theme music, furniture and set are not what an audience watch a show for (other than some people around these parts).

The reason they watch Marr is that he's a good interviewer and the show gets very good guests.

How well does it rate though and is it doing any better than the 9am hour of Breakfast on the Saturday. For me Marr is one of those shows loved more by politicians than the viewers.


But the BBC has multiple audiences to serve - despite both being 'news' shows, Andrew Marr and Saturday Breakfast have two very different purposes. Replacing Andrew Marr with an extra hour of Breakfast would perhaps increase ratings (I don't know the figures though...) but it would set back their political coverage.
SW
Steve Williams
Indeed. Anyway, the Breakfast with Frost titles used to be far worse, they had the old BBC logo in them ages after they changed it, and they showed Frost standing up and shouting which he never did during the programme...



The one thing they need to change on The Andrew Marr Show is when he introduces the guests and they have to stare psychotically at the camera while he does it, which looks ridiculous.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Indeed. Anyway, the Breakfast with Frost titles used to be far worse, they had the old BBC logo in them ages after they changed it, and they showed Frost standing up and shouting which he never did during the programme...


That action looks more like requests to the floor manager or camera operator or somebody else on the production, as you can see other production staff in those titles and Frost preparing.
IS
Inspector Sands
Indeed. Anyway, the Breakfast with Frost titles used to be far worse, they had the old BBC logo in them ages after they changed it, and they showed Frost standing up and shouting which he never did during the programme...


That action looks more like requests to the floor manager or camera operator or somebody else on the production, as you can see other production staff in those titles and Frost preparing.

Yes, it's something like 'if you pull the camera towards me'
BA
Bail Moderator


These were and remain the best political show titles I've ever seen. These are the "euro" version, the croc stayed on the mainland for the UK version. Excellent animation, suburb idea and well executed.
NG
noggin Founding member
Bail posted:


These were and remain the best political show titles I've ever seen. These are the "euro" version, the croc stayed on the mainland for the UK version. Excellent animation, suburb idea and well executed.


And very odd not to see the final reveal as the clock hands wiped round to reveal the studio. Great titles, and the set was very well executed and distinctive too.
NG
noggin Founding member
Indeed. Anyway, the Breakfast with Frost titles used to be far worse, they had the old BBC logo in them ages after they changed it, and they showed Frost standing up and shouting which he never did during the programme...




Re : the logo - the only place I can see it there, unless I'm being very dense, is on the side of a lens. Would you really expect a re-shoot to change a logo (when the cameras in use may well have still had the old logo on them anyway?) It wasn't as if it was a burned in logo that could be quickly replaced in an edit.
SC
scottishtv Founding member

What's that daft winking eye on an old fashioned telly at 00:22 all about?

"On The Record" titles were good, I agree. Much better than any of the 'machinery' titles that the Daily and Sunday Politics uses. That said the roaring Big Ben croc combined with John Humphreys hosting and questioning did frighten me a bit (as a child).
GE
thegeek Founding member

Really not a fan of that logotype. It looks like a vertically stretched Impact, which is an ugly typeface to begin with.

The previous beige zebra-print upholstery chairs did the rounds a fair bit: they'd go on the road with the programme. Maybe they ran out of the fabric to re-cover them?

Also, good to see Ken Clarke's got his favourite tie on.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Bail posted:
These were and remain the best political show titles I've ever seen. These are the "euro" version, the croc stayed on the mainland for the UK version. Excellent animation, suburb idea and well executed.

The crocodile has his own page on, er, BBCi...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/otr/crocpage.shtml
AN
Andrew Founding member
What terrible music that Breakfast with Frost era had, particularly the bit where they've shoved in the American anthem.

This era was typical of how inaccessible and dated the BBC's political programmes were in that era, before they modernised and some would say dumbed down to make them more accessible, in the Sunday AM and The Politics Show era.

The OTR titles were great though.
BA
bilky asko


The theme music, furniture and set are not what an audience watch a show for (other than some people around these parts).



Would you eat in a restaurant with horrible decor?

Would you fly with an airline which had aeroplanes looking dirty?

The set design and opening sequence are very very important. If it looks rubbish, you may ask, does this reflect the content? does it reflect the whole direction?


In answer to the first question, yes. In answer to the second question, yes (though I may complain later).


So you would keep going back and complaining, or just go somewhere else?


Well, I wouldn't mind about the restaurant, as long as the food was nice. In terms of the airline, I'd be more bothered about the safety record than how dirty a plane looked - not that I regularly fly, in any case.

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