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Will BBC World News become available in UK?

With the BBC taking control of most UKTV channels. (June 2019)

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LL
London Lite Founding member
Whenever I've seen local variants of World, it looks like the local provider crashes into the break with ads.
IS
Inspector Sands
London Lite posted:
Whenever I've seen local variants of World, it looks like the local provider crashes into the break with ads.

Yes, I'm not sure how much it happens now but as I say originally all the ads were locally inserted, the BBC didn't put any in (I remember someone telling me they weren't allowed to handle ads. If that was the case then obviously that rule changed by the time UKTV came along) and some did it better than others. I remember seeing one in Thailand ghat didn't seem to make any attempt to fit in the breaks.

harshy posted:
multiple soundtracks like talkback for example.

I've no idea, I think it's unlikely though. I'm not sure if the vanilla version goes anywhere, it could be that the local versions opt out of the regional ones - America, Europe, Asia etc - they are widely available
SI
sigma421
Inspector Sands posted:
noggin posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Did the alleged "core feed" exist in the days when there was a breakfiller played out for those regions which didn't opt out for adverts?


Yes - and at one point I think the adverts were inserted outside of the BBC - so a core feed did exist. When the BBC started playing out multiple regional variants I think this changed.


There is a 'core' or master version of World News and I'm fairly certain that it's ad free (I've never seen one on it). However I'm not sure what they do with sponsorship, if there is any. Years ago on one of the two occasions when World went out on BBC1 (the night of the bomb)the nightshift in playout had to cover sponsorship bumpers as they were still on it

But yes those were the days when it was a single version (albeit in 625 and 525 formats) and outside companies inserted their ads. Then they added Europe and eventually all the other streams. I think there are some partners around the world that still insert ads, hence the master.

Even if they wanted an ad free version and there wasn't one already its wouldn't be that difficult to do, they already have 5 or 6 variants

A Rolex sponsorship bumper went out on BBC One once when Breakfast fell over

https://www.tvforum.co.uk/thenewsroom/bbc-breakfast-fire-alarm-40071/
TI
TIGHazard
sigma421 posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
noggin posted:

Yes - and at one point I think the adverts were inserted outside of the BBC - so a core feed did exist. When the BBC started playing out multiple regional variants I think this changed.


There is a 'core' or master version of World News and I'm fairly certain that it's ad free (I've never seen one on it). However I'm not sure what they do with sponsorship, if there is any. Years ago on one of the two occasions when World went out on BBC1 (the night of the bomb)the nightshift in playout had to cover sponsorship bumpers as they were still on it

But yes those were the days when it was a single version (albeit in 625 and 525 formats) and outside companies inserted their ads. Then they added Europe and eventually all the other streams. I think there are some partners around the world that still insert ads, hence the master.

Even if they wanted an ad free version and there wasn't one already its wouldn't be that difficult to do, they already have 5 or 6 variants

A Rolex sponsorship bumper went out on BBC One once when Breakfast fell over

https://www.tvforum.co.uk/thenewsroom/bbc-breakfast-fire-alarm-40071/


Shame the footage in that thread is missing.
SI
sigma421
TIGHazard posted:
sigma421 posted:
Inspector Sands posted:

There is a 'core' or master version of World News and I'm fairly certain that it's ad free (I've never seen one on it). However I'm not sure what they do with sponsorship, if there is any. Years ago on one of the two occasions when World went out on BBC1 (the night of the bomb)the nightshift in playout had to cover sponsorship bumpers as they were still on it

But yes those were the days when it was a single version (albeit in 625 and 525 formats) and outside companies inserted their ads. Then they added Europe and eventually all the other streams. I think there are some partners around the world that still insert ads, hence the master.

Even if they wanted an ad free version and there wasn't one already its wouldn't be that difficult to do, they already have 5 or 6 variants

A Rolex sponsorship bumper went out on BBC One once when Breakfast fell over

https://www.tvforum.co.uk/thenewsroom/bbc-breakfast-fire-alarm-40071/


Shame the footage in that thread is missing.

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DE
deejay
I think it’s the case that the master feed of BBC world news does carry global sponsorship stings but no ads in breaks. On that particular breakfast issue they should probably have done one of two things: either told presentation they had to come off air and let them deal with the interruption or take the world news studio output (C) from NBH and ask world news to roll. The latter would have required a LOT more work though and it isn’t a known or prepared-for backup scenario.
MI
m_in_m
deejay posted:
I think it’s the case that the master feed of BBC world news does carry global sponsorship stings but no ads in breaks. On that particular breakfast issue they should probably have done one of two things: either told presentation they had to come off air and let them deal with the interruption or take the world news studio output (C) from NBH and ask world news to roll. The latter would have required a LOT more work though and it isn’t a known or prepared-for backup scenario.

Given it was a fire evacuation though they can't stick around discussing with NBH how to proceed - they have to get out. Ultimately I assume presentation could always choose to intervene once aware.

It maybe that since they've reconsidered how to handle the scenario in case it occurs in future.
RA
radiolistener
sigma421 posted:
TIGHazard posted:
sigma421 posted:
A Rolex sponsorship bumper went out on BBC One once when Breakfast fell over

https://www.tvforum.co.uk/thenewsroom/bbc-breakfast-fire-alarm-40071/


Shame the footage in that thread is missing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wY8wJ2-yqY


BBC fire alarms. Brought to you by Rolex.
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GA
Gallunach
noggin posted:
Gallunach posted:
ALV posted:
Well, it's technically available in the UK... If your home has a satellite dish, you can point it to Hotbird 13B (13.0°E) or Astra 4A (4.8°E) and tune it to their respective frequency to receive the European feed of the channel. (Go to lyngsat.com for frequency details)... I'm not sure if the core feed is available on satellite or it's only available to the BBC privately.


Could they not let it go out on Astra but not on Sky EPG or Freesat EPG


What would be the commercial reason for the BBC to pay the large amount of money to put it on Astra 28.2 - which is a slot used almost exclusively for services aimed at UK and Ireland - if the channel were not broadcast in the UK (and thus there was no advertising revenue generated by this slot)?


To make it easy to pick it up in the Republic of Ireland Wink
Though there is historic precedent for the difficulty in picking up the WS as it was always easier to pick up the BBC domestic services than World Service Radio ( like 648khz )
NG
noggin Founding member
Gallunach posted:
noggin posted:
Gallunach posted:

Could they not let it go out on Astra but not on Sky EPG or Freesat EPG


What would be the commercial reason for the BBC to pay the large amount of money to put it on Astra 28.2 - which is a slot used almost exclusively for services aimed at UK and Ireland - if the channel were not broadcast in the UK (and thus there was no advertising revenue generated by this slot)?


To make it easy to pick it up in the Republic of Ireland Wink
Though there is historic precedent for the difficulty in picking up the WS as it was always easier to pick up the BBC domestic services than World Service Radio ( like 648khz )


Not sure the Republic is a big enough market to return enough advertising revenue to justify carriage on an expensive Astra 2 transponder...
GA
Gallunach
But it's a foreign country that the World Service is neglecting it's mandate to broadcast information and news about Britain to Laughing Laughing

If those transmissions can then accidentally be picked up in Britain Cool
MI
m_in_m
Gallunach posted:
But it's a foreign country that the World Service is neglecting it's mandate to broadcast information and news about Britain to Laughing Laughing

If those transmissions can then accidentally be picked up in Britain Cool

Except the BBC does broadcast to Ireland doesn't it? Wasn't that an outcome of the Good Friday Agreement.

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