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BBC National/News Channel from New Broadcasting House

(March 2013)

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james
DanielK posted:
Oh yes! Thought it may be some elaborate desk that was never used.


Do you ever think before posting stuff on here? Some of your posts are beyond stupid. Rolling Eyes
OF
oflahertya
james posted:
DanielK posted:
Oh yes! Thought it may be some elaborate desk that was never used.


Do you ever think before posting stuff on here? Some of your posts are beyond stupid. Rolling Eyes


James it is plausable
DO
dosxuk
No it's not.
OF
oflahertya
Yes it is a massive bbc london style desk
NG
noggin Founding member
gilsta posted:
noggin posted:
JasonB posted:
Is it really expensive to have one or two camera operators on the BBC nowadays?


In a word. Yes.

It would increase the daytime technical gallery staffing (for non-BBC One bulletins) from 3 to 4/5 people. That's a major cost increase. Even BBC One bulletins just get a single lighting/vision/remote camera person - but even adding a single extra job to the gallery would be a significant cost.

A major reason for putting in Mosart and Furio cameras must have been to reduce the staffing to at least pre-News Channel levels (3 during the day, 2 overnight) Remember the BBC has to make 20% cost savings at the moment. Increasing staff levels doesn't really help with that...


Oh come on. People expect better of the national broadcaster. What price to not make the National News look like a joke?

I think around £100,000 a year - you could have 2 proper camera ops controlling the robots on 7 day fortnights (11am - 11pm) plus holiday / sick cover. Its a drop in the ocean.

And it'll be worth it compared to the bad PR of the cameras doing a dance when Nelson Mandela / a senior Royal passes away.


The BBC One bulletins (at least during the week) do have an operator, it is the News Channel that doesn't. They are what most viewers watch - and what people think are the National News. There have been very few issues on these bulletins.

I don't disagree that it would be great to have more operators across the board. However the investment was made in Mosart and Furio - not staff. You can't get a refund on that. Adding extra costs in the current environment is very unlikely to happen.

And to be honest - during breaking news the cameras hardly move - so you're arguably less likely to have issues then, not more.
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gilsta
noggin posted:
gilsta posted:
noggin posted:
JasonB posted:
Is it really expensive to have one or two camera operators on the BBC nowadays?


In a word. Yes.

It would increase the daytime technical gallery staffing (for non-BBC One bulletins) from 3 to 4/5 people. That's a major cost increase. Even BBC One bulletins just get a single lighting/vision/remote camera person - but even adding a single extra job to the gallery would be a significant cost.

A major reason for putting in Mosart and Furio cameras must have been to reduce the staffing to at least pre-News Channel levels (3 during the day, 2 overnight) Remember the BBC has to make 20% cost savings at the moment. Increasing staff levels doesn't really help with that...


Oh come on. People expect better of the national broadcaster. What price to not make the National News look like a joke?

I think around £100,000 a year - you could have 2 proper camera ops controlling the robots on 7 day fortnights (11am - 11pm) plus holiday / sick cover. Its a drop in the ocean.

And it'll be worth it compared to the bad PR of the cameras doing a dance when Nelson Mandela / a senior Royal passes away.


The BBC One bulletins (at least during the week) do have an operator, it is the News Channel that doesn't. They are what most viewers watch - and what people think are the National News. There have been very few issues on these bulletins.

I don't disagree that it would be great to have more operators across the board. However the investment was made in Mosart and Furio - not staff. You can't get a refund on that. Adding extra costs in the current environment is very unlikely to happen.

And to be honest - during breaking news the cameras hardly move - so you're arguably less likely to have issues then, not more.


Thanks for clearing that up, I was told there were no operators full stop. A few of the mistakes I'd seen were on the One O'Clock News during Breaking News, that's why I mentioned it. Does the One have an operator or just the 6 and 10?
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noggin Founding member
gilsta posted:
noggin posted:
gilsta posted:
noggin posted:
JasonB posted:
Is it really expensive to have one or two camera operators on the BBC nowadays?


In a word. Yes.

It would increase the daytime technical gallery staffing (for non-BBC One bulletins) from 3 to 4/5 people. That's a major cost increase. Even BBC One bulletins just get a single lighting/vision/remote camera person - but even adding a single extra job to the gallery would be a significant cost.

A major reason for putting in Mosart and Furio cameras must have been to reduce the staffing to at least pre-News Channel levels (3 during the day, 2 overnight) Remember the BBC has to make 20% cost savings at the moment. Increasing staff levels doesn't really help with that...


Oh come on. People expect better of the national broadcaster. What price to not make the National News look like a joke?

I think around £100,000 a year - you could have 2 proper camera ops controlling the robots on 7 day fortnights (11am - 11pm) plus holiday / sick cover. Its a drop in the ocean.

And it'll be worth it compared to the bad PR of the cameras doing a dance when Nelson Mandela / a senior Royal passes away.


The BBC One bulletins (at least during the week) do have an operator, it is the News Channel that doesn't. They are what most viewers watch - and what people think are the National News. There have been very few issues on these bulletins.

I don't disagree that it would be great to have more operators across the board. However the investment was made in Mosart and Furio - not staff. You can't get a refund on that. Adding extra costs in the current environment is very unlikely to happen.

And to be honest - during breaking news the cameras hardly move - so you're arguably less likely to have issues then, not more.


Thanks for clearing that up, I was told there were no operators full stop. A few of the mistakes I'd seen were on the One O'Clock News during Breaking News, that's why I mentioned it. Does the One have an operator or just the 6 and 10?


Not sure - historically the One O'Clock News was a separate case to the Six and Ten - so it may not. (Though it is also a less-watched bulletin. Very high share, but lower volume)
MU
Muckspreader
noggin posted:
And to be honest - during breaking news the cameras hardly move - so you're arguably less likely to have issues then, not more.


It's comments like that that make me think you're a bit of a secret foamer Noggin. Wink

Yes, the cams may not be planned to move much, if at all, during simple down the line up and down breaking news rolling, but we know that half a centemetre's finger press on the keyboard onto an F12 instead of an F11, and you can have a completely unintended multi camera dance on your hands.
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crownprince
james posted:

Do you ever think before posting stuff on here? Some of your posts are beyond stupid. Rolling Eyes


Mod Edit: Language like that is not permitted.

Rephrase: What a muppet
Last edited by crownprince on 25 June 2013 8:08am
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bazinga
crownprince posted:
james posted:

Do you ever think before posting stuff on here? Some of your posts are beyond stupid. Rolling Eyes


Mod Edit: Language like that is not permitted.


Who? Rolling Eyes
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AdamABC
Was it me, or did the countdown to the News at Ten sound exactly like the World news countdown? IMHO it sounds much better and let's hope it's permanent.
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AxG
AdamABC posted:
Was it me, or did the countdown to the News at Ten sound exactly like the World news countdown? IMHO it sounds much better and let's hope it's permanent.

iPlayer Live Restart is everyone's friend, yes it did, it had the BBC WN signature throughout.

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