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"Watch this space" as BBC Creative respond to ident change request (December 2016)

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JA
james-2001
Next I’ll find out that Oneness was shot by a highly regarded, award-winning photographer, and not just made by the work-experience kid when he’d run out of photocopying to do.


Oneness is what happens when you put someone highly skilled in one medium to work in another one.
GE
thegeek Founding member
n these days of everything being CGI you almost forget this stuff was done with models at one time. 1991 computers probably weren't up to generating something like that, not on a BBC budget anyway. We had this same discussion in the EastEnders thread about the 1993 titles only a couple of weeks back...

I was rewatching that globe recently and - knowing what I know now about CGI - did think that it must have taken ages to render a whole minute of that in 1991. In fact, probably most of 1990. Seeing that clip was very much a 'well obviously it must have been a model' moment.

Would be great if there's more surviving footage than just that short GIF. It looks like a fascinating kinetic model!

While looking for more, I've found a quick sketch, presumably by the ident's designer, Daniel Barber, on this post by Bail. It appears to be from a book which I actually own but is currently on my desk at work, but I'll have to wait until I'm allowed back in the building before I can have a proper browse of that bit.
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DO
dosxuk
Next I’ll find out that Oneness was shot by a highly regarded, award-winning photographer, and not just made by the work-experience kid when he’d run out of photocopying to do.


Oneness is what happens when you put someone highly skilled in one medium to work in another one.


Getting photocopiers to work reliably is a sadly unrecognised skill these days.
JA
JAS84
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.
BH
BillyH Founding member
LWT’s 1996 ident was a model too, each individual piece of the logo was controlled using a rostrum camera and string.

Indeed the early showings were actually done live, but one night before Gladiators all the strings got tangled up and everything just fell to the floor, causing an embarrassed Peter Lewis to announce “Well, that... was LWT...”

(not really)
GE
thegeek Founding member
There's also the old Eurovision ident, which was made from string.
NG
noggin Founding member
JAS84 posted:
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.


Well COW was the name of the hardware that generated the ident - and the Lambie Nairn globe came off CRV component laser discs...
VM
VMPhil
JAS84 posted:
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.


Well COW was the name of the hardware that generated the ident - and the Lambie Nairn globe came off CRV component laser discs...

as shown by Anne Robinson in this clip from Points of View (along with contemporary viewer opinion of the then-new globe!)

https://www.tvark.org/?page=media&mediaid=115505
FA
fanoftv
I had no idea that a laser disc was so big and that the mechanical globes were so small.

There is something warming about Anne's cheeky comments and wit from her Points of View era, "...after all, I'm not Tomorrow's World", it's charm that the programme has long since lost unfortunately.
JA
JAS84
JAS84 posted:
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.


Well COW was the name of the hardware that generated the ident - and the Lambie Nairn globe came off CRV component laser discs...
COW stands for Computer Originated World though, so the name would fit any CGI globe ident. But if 1991 was a model and 1997 was live action, that means 1985 was in fact the only CGI globe.
GE
thegeek Founding member
I had no idea that a laser disc was so big and that the mechanical globes were so small.

It's a 12" disc inside a caddy. Techmoan did a teardown of one a few months ago.
MA
Markymark
JAS84 posted:
JAS84 posted:
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.


Well COW was the name of the hardware that generated the ident - and the Lambie Nairn globe came off CRV component laser discs...
COW stands for Computer Originated World though, so the name would fit any CGI globe ident. But if 1991 was a model and 1997 was live action, that means 1985 was in fact the only CGI globe.


It's semantics but the 1985 to 91 globe was 'realtime CGI', in my mind CGI refers to images rendered in non real time, and a recording made. A la the 1982 C4 blocks

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