Identify the correct year for the Pres.

This is a turn up for the books: It seems Central Did in fact take Carlton "Night time service" It was believe the weekday overnight took the same feed but used local idents.

Turn up for the books its still version of the 1988 TT idents.

https://youtu.be/-M1KDonuGT0?t=235

That still was seen quite a lot in 1988-89, as was a still of the previous ident between Jan-Sep 1988. Tyne Tees often used it into network programmes, with or without an announcement. I assume they considered it the cleanest way to join a programme without a frontcap, or with an unseen frontcap. Occasionally you heard the end of a Thames or YTV fanfare as Tyne Tees showed this still.

Wait so that still ident was used from Jan 1988? before the moving version appeared on 5 September 1988?

No, that ident was introduced in September 1988. The previous ident was used prior to that. My point was that stills were used from Jan 1988 to introduce programmes - there's nothing unusual about this footage in that respect.

Right I think I've got you. Just trying to keep on top of everything.

I have no managed to get the full list updated, since its been 18months-ish since the list was updated last.

BBC:
http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post831886#post-831886

Anglia
* Knight ident from start to 1988
* Flag come in, 21st March 1988:
* ITV logo was added SEE page-21 http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/date-pres-38322/page-21 and http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/date-pres-38322/page-23

Border
* First Ident from Start Until 1989 Word Border Televison
* Second Ident, ITV 89 ident lanuched on 1 September 1989 until 1993
* An additional ident was also used: which come from an ITV promo from Auttum 1990 - December 1992 with Word Border Televison added.
* September 1993, Pink ident featuring a background of pastel colours. The music was retained from the generic look. Border also began to use in-vision continuity more heavily. and continuled to use the 1989 ident.
* 4th ident: Plain light blue, September 1994
* 5th and 6th: The two moving DARK Blue idents ( with differnet muisc) were introduced on 1st September 1995 and replaced the light blue slate one. used until 7th November 1999
* 7th Nov. 1999: Hearts idents
* IVC on Border at weekends was dropped in October 1998 and on weekdays with effect from 8 November 1999,

Central
1982: Blue background and the busting moon.
Decenmber 1982: Central Strips were introduced to the IVC studio by at least December 1982, before being added to feature in Central's own promotions in 1983
1983: Black background and the more colourful moon was used as front/end cap for TV shows

*The cake is introduced---The "one to watch" launched around 5 August 1985 for continuity purposes only with some junctions still using announcers in-vision.
At this time, the ordinary Central ident was still being used at the start of programmes. It looked a bit odd linking from the cake to the globe, but it did happen. The networked cake production animation started in 1988 and lasted for around 12 months when it was decided by the network that only static prod caps were to be used. The Central presentation caption for acquired programming was replaced with a Central cake end ident.

* Cake was dropped: Last Central idents started on 6 OR 20 April 1998 using the word central instead of the cake.
* Carlton replaced Central idents on 6 September 1999

Carlton
* First set of Ident: January 1, 1993 -- at midnight., With 70 odd idents created which featured people, Some of the idents had them saying
* " This is Carlton.. Television for London",
* " Your watching Carlton"
while other never any one speaking.

* someone after this period Carlton introduced is second batch of idents there only had " * " Your watching Carlton"

**** In late ( Nov/DEC) 1993, the first and second set were replaced by a third new set: were revised to no longer have London or anyone spoken, with around 25 straight Idents,

PLUS Four montage idents which were all the same but with different colour background, starting a different points:
Green: Starts at the Window cleaners
Blue: Starts at the Rugby players
Purple: Starts at the Kartate
Red: Starts at the Potter
ALL until 3rd September 1995.

* Second ident started on 4th September 1995 - Made by Central
* Third Ident started on Monday 25th November 1996
* Star idents on 6 September 1999

Granada
Revised Granada LIS
* Still Granada Ident: 1970 - UNTIL spring 1989. ( IN 1986 it was only seen as a Front and End cap)

* September "1984" the Granada Logo was updated, but not used for idents at first. The G symbol was made bolder and become slanted, and appeared for presentation and continuity and then finaly idents, and was still being used by December 1986
* During May 1986 Addition Birthday ident:- 30 years of broadcast.
* 1st September 1986 GOLD Still ident ( during 86 it had extra auttum branding on it)
* Septebmer 1987 Silver/chrome ident:
* During march/ April 1989, new pres: Green-yellow ident, - Very short lived.
* June 1989:
* Sunny Cloudy Sky ident ( Hot airballon inside the G) with IBA music: Around June and used until December 1989:
* Woman walking up a road, with a sky background version of the ident Autumn 1989 - early 1990
* PLUS the Hybrid ITV ident used during 1989.

* Yellow G on water: Early Jan 1990

In June 1990:
* White ident with blue box ‘Stripe’ :
**Auttum version and Xmas version.

* Purple/violent look with flowers for pres during Spring - Autumn 1991
* Updated ‘Stripe’ ident blue glass back ground: October 1991 - May 1992
* Granada North West Ident still kept in use until May 1992
* UPDATED "Stripes" back to white background ident May 1992 until Dec 1994. For pres a rainbow effect was added.
* All of 1994: FLAGS: During this time Season Idents were also used.
* Strange brown look: Sept 94- for promo/slides etc

New 1995:
* Blue backgroud: Monday 2nd January 1995, 9.25am - 1999 ( after Sept 1996 used mainly for news and important progmrammes)
* weird idents: September 1996, the rest were gradually added between then and 1998. http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post866418#post-866418 Or at the bottom of thie notepad:

* Hearts Nov 8th 1999 - Oct. 28th 2002

There were two "Granada in the North West" variants for regional programmes.
The 1990 version had its own form up and tune and this continued to be used when the blue ident came in.
When the newer white ident came, a matching North West variant arrived as well, but apart from the wording, the ident was
the same as the standard one. The flags, I'm not sure on when they came and went but am certain they didn't totally replace the standard stripe ident.

The 1995 one is correct, I believe. There were two variants. The normal one and one shot at an angle. The angle one didn't last long and probably
went when the first 'weird' idents arrived. As more of these idents were introduced, the normal ident was seen less, mainly before news and serious programmes.
However, its usage increased slightly once Yorkshire took over transmission in 1998, as it was the lazy option for joint continuity.

Grampian
* Grampian "In Colour" ident 1971 - 1976
* Dark Blue Ident used from 1977 - 1981 * Blue clock is kept until August 83.
* Black Ident Januaray 1982-85. The Clock was only updated in *August 1983*
* First Computer Generated April 1985
* ITV ident 1 Sept 1989 until Sunday, 4th October 1998 NOTE most of the time Invision CA was used
* Full-screen St Andrews Cross: Wednesday 7th October 1998
* Shattering glass" ident was introduced in the second week of October 1998 as a direct replacement for the animation used during the previous week
* Blue Squares: Monday 28th February 2000
* Celeb idents 6th January 2003

HTV
* Harlech 4th March 1968
* Arial 1970 - 1987
* 3rd HTV ident September 1987 - 1989 ( Claimed 7 September 1987)
* ITV ident: 1st September 1989 - dec 31st 1992
NOTE There were two:
~ Standard one:
~ HTV pertinently static with music playing with the " HTV ( west/wales) " sweeping in from the left to center of the screen.

* 4th HTV ident: 1st January 1993 - xmas 1994 Deep blue ident
* 5th Ident: January 1995 - 7th March 1999 wavy ident Aqua colour ( Claimed 13 February )
* Addtion idents during 1995- 98: relete to Flim, drama, Enterment, comedy, Factual, Muisc,

* 6th Orange/water ident appear spring 1997 used until the end of the year: There was also a blue version of this.
* 7th IDENT 8th March 1999 – 7 November 1999 Yellow ident
* 8th Granada Hearts: November 8th 1999 - 1st July 01
* 9th Calrton Stars: Monday 2nd June 2001 - 2002

London Weekend Television
Start: Word London weekend television:
* In 1969 pound Coin
* On Friday 18th September 1970, First LWT River ident "London Weekend "
* September 1978: An updated LWT river ident " London Weekend Television" New slides of Kent house was also used as Idents.
* in 1982 a new 'Nightlife' Ident appeared for late night programmes also a new ident with "Your Weekend ITV" solgin is introduce,

* LWT dropped in-vision announcers in ealry January 1983.
By 9th.C September 1983 a new local computer animated ident.
Two versions were created one bearing the slogan "Your Weekend ITV" and the other "The Enternatainers" Slide versions were also used.

* Addition ident appeared in 1984 " revolving '3D' logo LWT " used along with 1978 and 1983 ident until 1986.

* On 29th August 1986 first Computer Ident, Long and short version of both
~Genesis, in which the stripes fold on letter by letter,: ( Short Ident - where all the letters form up together)
~Solari, a vertical venetian blind effect seen in the London region only.
~Kids version of kids programmes of course!

* On 1st September 1989 ITV ident ( NOTE the 86 ident bought back for into into Local show in 90-92)

* On 4th September 1992, ~ flying blocks' ITV logo appeared for Networked shows, ( ITV was dropped from both in 1994)
* An addtion ident: 'flare" Added EARLY 1994, and also used as "next programme" Wirthdrawn Janruary 1995.
LWT 'flare" also had just a moving background:

* 1995 "LONDON WEEKEND" with voice of Peter Lewis: ?????
* On 30 August 1996, updated IDENT - http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/lwt-airs-new-logo-and-idents/1102781.article there made 5/6 different vertaions
* Hearts ident: 8 November 8th 1999
* Firewall: 24 March 2000, At least two version, one with the funfair,
with an updated version on 11/08/01.

Meridian
1st Jan 1993 Meridian's original ident
2nd ident 2 September 1996, featuring purple colours. There were two versions
3rd ident was replaced in autumn 1998
ITV logo was added to promos and idents SEE page-21 http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/date-pres-38322/page-21 and http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/date-pres-38322/page-23

Scottish Television
From 1957, the ident was a lion rampant with the word Scottish (in caps and lower case) above and Television below. By 1960 - this was replaced by the 'quadrant' logo with four black squares separated by a thin centre cross. the letters S, T, V, in three boxes and the lion rampant in the fourth.

# 1965-1970- With thanks to Mr STV himself
An animated spinning lion (inside a box) made his debut in 1965 by Francis essex who took over as Controller of programmes: Athough this was later modified as a simple zoom in following, according to some reports, a complaint from The Lord Lyon King of Arms, the man in charge of protecting Scotland's heraldry
When colour began the lion continued to zoom but in pale blue. The lion rampant appeared in white on a black TV-Screen-shaped box at the top, a black band appeared with the words SCOTTISH TELEVISION in a bold condensed font in white on black centre screen, and Channel 10 in white on grey at the bottom. However this meant always having a telecine machine available for use at station opening. When the openings were 12:55 and 16:55 this was relatively simple but as startup got earlier, it wasn't economic to bring an operator in on a special shift just to run a 15" animation, so that was paermanently dispensed with and a still slide used instead. The 3D animation was never used at startup, as it came off VT and would have tied up a machine/operator.

1970-1985
After the start of colour broadcasting, the lion rampant symbol was replaced within a year by a stylised 'STV' logo, which during its 15 year rein:
# 1970-1974: Zomming STV:
# 1974- 78. The ident was revised to from a tartan pattern.
# 1978: The Static version appeared
# 1980.c: until Aug 1985. Slide of STV. A few slides of STV building.
# 1982.c - until Aug 1985: Animated cylindrical STV symbol. The ident came off a VT Cart and if the commercial break failed due to a compressed air failure on the VT cart machine (which wasn’t uncommon) then the ident failed as well. STV continued to also use slides as these were reliable.

1985
* On 31 August 1985 new Computer ident "Thistle" appeared ( also used for start and end caps)
* NEW Clock kept until DECEMBER 1988**

* In January 1988 a new set of Seasonal Ident were used.
+ Jan - MARCH: 88 on Scottish
+ April, May, June : Flat looking Ident
+ July- December: , Water type ident -- Dark blue, Green, yellow one, dark red and Light brown/sandy colour
+ Sand version of the 1985 ident for summer and Snow version of the 1985 ident for Xmas

* JANUARY 1989: A new 2D identity Blue in colour, with a plump thistle:
* NEW CLOCK, was introduced.
~ Addtion tiddlywinks ident with name included from Jan 1990-Dec 1992

ADDTIONAL used:
~ 1st September STV used injunction with the ITV Generic look in 1989, Only last a few months before being completely dropped. by December 89 ?
~ Brown ident introduce from 31 August – December 14th 1990.
~ Scenic idents: 4th January until the 30th August 1991
~ A fish jumping in a stream,: 31st August – 31st October 1991 From November was used as for promos up till Christmas
~ Crystal ident 4 January – 27th March 1992
~ colouful Crystal: 28th March 1992 – 28th August
~ Autumn version of the 1992 Xmas ident. 29th August until the? 10th December 1992

* Purple Thistle: 1st January 1993 - >>>
* light blue/sky thistle: 7 Octber 1996 to 27 February 2000
* Blue Squares : 28 February 2000
* 7 January 2003, when Scottish and Grampian adopted the celebrity idents package, albeit with their own logos attached and also featuring Scottish and Grampian presenters.
The package was never updated unlike ITV version which was took place in September 2003. but STV did take sky ident in 2004 for use into the lunchtime news.

Thames
* First day Ident: FROM THAMES' written in white in the Helvetica font 'Salute to Thames', composed by Johnny Hawkesworth.

2nd Thames ident in 1968:
* Black and white Sky line,
* in 1969 a new colour sky line ident come into use:
* A second colour version of the ident came into use from 1976,
* digital re-make of the ident, during 1986

3rd: XXI' Ident, summer 1989 for its 21st birthday
4th September ITV ident Thames started on a monday for THAMES.

In September 1990 New logo appeared:
* ITV ident which was updated with the new logo
* New skyline ident was introduce regional programming for London. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMyeVfpUlmI which different audio and was only used before local shows
* Monday October 28, 1991 or on Monday November 4, 1991. of the local ident with Revised music, ident was used for all junctions and programmes.

TVS
1st ident appeared 1st January 1982: two version, WeekDay and Weekend.
2nd: GCI TVS logo appeared in 1984???
3rd: TVS logo just roating appered in Auttum 1984 - Sept 87
4th: Ident appeared on 7 September 1987. September 28th news
5th: ident appeared on 1 September 1989 or 2 October 1989

TSW
* Launch identity on January 1, 1982, a
* Second Ident appeared in May 1985
* Seasonal idents: In September 1989, the station instead chose to launch seasonal idents: Winter, Spring, Summer, Auttum, xmas, and New year.

Tyne Tees
* First Colour Ident: 1969 - 79
* On 24 October 1979, the ident was modified once more to remove the word colour and to give it a more dynamic form up.
* On 5 September 1988, "Flowing Rivers" There was also slide version of this ident.
* On Friday 1 September 1989 Tyne Tees adopted the 1989 ITV generic look.
* Tyne Tees abandoned it in May 1991. for blocky glass version, with 89 music
* Updated version on Monday 6th January 1992 - Colourful blocky glass with 89 music
* ANOTHER one: white background No idea when used in 1992: May - October 1992 ??
* Monday 5th October 1992 : The silver TTTV ident ( The pres was updated twice)
From September 1993 until 1996 when the pres department closed completely, for 99% of all programmes IVC or a static slide were used.

* Monday 2nd September 1996 Channel 3 ident: ended 8th March 1998
* Monday 9th March 1998 - 8 November 1999 ( after this date for LOCAL PROGRAMMES ONLY until 2000.
* Red ident of the 1999 ident for Tyne Tees 40th in Mid January for one week only
* Hearts idetns: Nov 8th 1999 *ITV rebranded as ITV1 on 11 August 2001.
* New ident September 2000, TT logo in a white box on top of blue background for LOCAL SHOWS ONLY

Yorkshire
* 1968: moving Yorkshire TV
* 1970: Yorkshire TV in colour
* Jan 1982 Updated version with "colour" Dropped and updated String Chervon made bigger and brighter.
* 1983: version of the Serving 6 Million Viewers animation.
* 1984.C Second versoin of 6M with map...
* 1985 Third verion Serving 6 Million Viewers slogan from space.
# Programme slides were used into most programmes expect the news: IE 1970s -1987...

* Jan 1987:
~ Liquid Gold ident
~ 3 revolving chevron Day, Evening and night:
~ except before programmes produced by YTV - they were still introduced over a slide.

* Friday 1st 1989, Yorkshire Television adopted the first ITV generic look
~ Standard version
~ Static version with the Chevron in the middle ( this never changed until 1994)
* Jan.C 1991 It was changed to show LARGE Chevron instead of the ITV Logo at the end.

# ITV style slides and Clock 1 Sept 89 until Spring 1992
# Light blue sky slides: Spring 1992 - ??
# Brown ITV logo in background Auttum 1992.
# Chess broad: January – April 1993:
# Pink sky: May - august 1993
# Binds: September 1993 - September 1994.

* Monday 5th September 1994 : ITV look dropped and replaced numrous idents with differnt colours and moving films to relfect the season.
* September 1996 Ch3 branding was introduced, for slides and promos. It was not until November 1996 when the Channel 3 ident come into effect. ended 8th March 1998

* Monday 9th March 1998 - 8 November 1999
* 8 November 1999 - 2002: NEW ident for local show ONLY which had purple rotating chevrons in the background

UTV: was it
* Friday 31st October 1980, for 21st Birthday
* Monday 7th September 1987 leading into the first edition of "Six Tonight"
FULL DETAILS page-29 http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/date-pres-38322/page-29

ITV as its self:
* 1989 Ident: 1st September ( with Thames on the 4th Sept) Promos started the weekend before.
* Carlton Stars Monday 6 September 1999
* Granada hearts Nov 8th 1999 *ITV rebranded as ITV1 on 11 August 2001.
* Celeb idents Oct. 28th 2002

Heart pacakge: 5th Ocotber 1998 Hearts Era THANKS TO MR KITE

GMG North (Granada, Yorkshire, Tyne Tees) - used both NPU promos and the heart break bumper from launch day. However, promos for regional programmes remained
locally branded and often of a totally different design, which varied periodically and often between regions too. They all also took the idents when they
finally arrived. Some GMG North hearts idents had a piano variant of the tune, which where rare or non-existent in the rest of the country at the time.
There was also
* The standard form up 'lines' version
* plus a 'hold' version unique to GMG North where the ident was already formed and the music started from about 20- 30 seconds into the tune.
* There was also a light brown/yellow standard form up 'lines' version used for day time use.
* Once the rebrand to ITV1 the live shots were killed off.

Border - adopted the heart break bumper and NPU promos. Introduced the hearts idents when they arrived but seemed to use the lines one most or all of the time. In contrast to GMG North, they often used a menu with the evening's schedule on a hearts background, before leading into the immediate programme with an ident. Once GMG North took over continuity, they fell in line with GMG North's other regions.

LWT - As with GMG North, until the replaced the hearts with video wall idents.

HTV West - being owned by UNM and run from Meridian, it's story will be broadly similar to Meridian and Anglia, until Carlton took over, which further adds to the mystery, as this would've been a strange set up.

Anglia and Meridian - Used the NPU promos but stuck local logos on the top left of the end board. Basically, as the promo ran, there would be an ITV logo in the top left of the screen. However, on the final end board with the still of the programme and the information of when it was one, the ITV logo would be on another part of the screen and the Meridian or Anglia logo
was be where the ITV logo was in the top left. These stations initially ignored the heart break bumper and continued to use their own. However, when the hearts idents arrived, they introduced regionalised versions of the hearts break bumpers which also included their own names and station logos. Anglia and Meridian tended to use the lines version a lot more th

Tyne Tees continued to use the static version of whatever ident they were using at the time from January 1988 through to March 1996.

Of course the one shown in the clip above was digitally-generated; prior to January 1989, the still was an optical slide, which had a tendency to render the grey/yellow background of the 1988 ident a dirty orange colour which wasn't especially pleasant. You'll also note that the above clip's still ident was not taken directly from the ident, which actually looks quite different. The 1989 ITV Tyne Tees ident was similar, where the ITV logo was rendered flat white rather than the metallic silver of the ident itself.

Just further to the above a little bit, the 1988 rebrand at Tyne Tees was a bit of a mess in all honesty. Really they should have waited until the technical refresh in presentation had completed before going to the new ident -- instead they continued with the older early-80s equipment for a few months.

This meant that the holding slides continued with the old (optical) design for a few months, with the yellow TTTV logo. Not particularly the end of the world, but they did the same with everything else initially as well.

So the IVC background had the same problem as the ident still in that it was supposed to be "sandy" but ended up orange. This background only lasted a few weeks and was replaced with a more plain backdrop which was even more orange than the previous one, presumably to match up with the ident still.

Then you had the clock and programme menu graphics. Both were yellow-on-blue and worked well with the previous look. But both were older technology and could only render solid background colour. Both continued with the yellow-on-blue scheme for several weeks, until they were updated. The programme menu (which was computer generated) changed to a bright yellow background with a cyan-coloured logo which didn't really match anything else. The clock was worse -- a cyan-coloured logo on a dark beige-coloured electronic background.

The whole thing was obviously rushed out by a company that realised the old ident was starting to look out of place next to other companies' efforts, but failed to put in the required investment at the same time and ended up looking silly. It took months (until Christmas 1988 in fact) for the station to sort itself out, update and look reasonably up-to-date.

Actually a bit curious about that last one. I have a family home video sitting around which previously had been used for stuff recorded from STV. Before the video camera stuff starts, you see a quick flash of that last ident. The home video stuff was filmed in September 1989.

623058, you mentioned Border's logo used prior to the 1989 look. Weren't there two slides, one showing the word 'colour' and one without. In the colour era, were these used interchangeably, or did the one without the word 'colour' replace the other one?