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How does the mix between Pre-recorded and live actually work? (April 2014)

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DS
Didely Squit!
Hi all,

I'm just looking for clarification really on how the playout of Lottery programmes work - if anybody knows? On Who Dares Wins or In It to Win It, for example, do Network BBC One cut to the output of the Lottery gallery at Pinewood who play-in the main show from an EVS (or similar). The cuts between live, and pre-recorded, are very seamless with applause grams, for example, carrying over between the two with no obvious break.

I have noticed sometimes that the live Lottery sections sometimes put the sting of the show they are coming from, or returning to in their in-vision screens before taking it full frame. I know this can obviously be done by cutting up an Incoming fibre circuit, instead of a local vision source - but, again, was just curious as to exactly how this works.

I can see it would be easier for Network BBC One to hand the whole operation over to the Lottery gallery, however I can see that in this case they may not have the same level of redundancy as Network playout if, and when, a technical problem arises.

Any knowledge on how this is done would be great,

Cheers,

D
HC
Hatton Cross
Calling Duncan Newmarsh...Calling Duncan Newmarsh... Very Happy
He'd know for sure!

Actually, I've wondered in the past about this. Whether the Lottery Quiz parts are played out via Red Bee, with the live draws coming in as a live OS and backtimed to the junctions using the programme title bumper as the back-up to hold on screen if they are under by a second or two - or - as you say if the both the quiz and draws come in to Red Bee from Pinewood as a complete programme - and therefore treated as a live and recorded OB.

In terms of control, I'd say it's the latter - but if you lost the Pinewood gallery during the quiz show, unless the pre-rec portions are running off the Red Bee servers as back-up at Wood Lane it would be rather messy for the viewers at home watching.
MB
Media Boy
I'm sure its not changed since I was in NC1, but it was always under control of the gallery where the recorded portion was done and it appeared into Presentation as one source and they linked between VT and the live portion.
For example on Jet Set - the main game (when it was wittled down to 2 contestants) was pre recorded earlier in the afternoon - then they would record with each contestant the 'running out of stage door in the limo' after.
The show would start on tape from teh gallery and then they would go live for the main lottery draw and the head to head (remember this was based on the balls drawn) - and then run the recorded 'leaving TVC in a limo' over the end credits.
It gives the programme far greater control than delivering parts to Red Bee.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
That sounds fine for a programme where the bit after the draw is live and relies on the draw to continue, but where the gameshow bit has been in the can for some time (perhaps recorded at Glasgow as I believe one of the Lottery strands is) something slightly different would be needed.

The same kind of arrangement as for the CountryFile weather could work, or the Lottery Draw gallery playing out the pre-recorded sections
JU
jumpinjack
It is indeed treated as one live source for NC1 with the lottery gallery playing in the pre-recorded parts and then inserting the live elements.
DA
David
The lottery shows tend to have live style subtitles, even for the bits recorded sometime ago which is a shame. How are Countryfile's subtitles? I assume they don't inflict live style subtitles on viewers just for the sake of a 5 minute weather forecast?

There are actually 3 versions of each Countryfile episode in the BBC Programmes database. Original version, Editorial and Sign language. I assume Editorial is the one without the weather.
DS
Didely Squit!
Thanks all for the info. Interesting point with the Countryfile weather forecast, I had always assumed that Network did treat this as 2 separate sources, as they are clean cuts between the segments, no in-vision monitors etc to contend with etc.
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes, Countryfile is treated as two recorded items with a live event between them. As it's just a cut it can be done that way, a big entertainment programme like the Lottery require a bit more of a mix between the two, and that's not something pres will/can do. There has to be a live gallery staffed so it doesn't make much difference cost wise.

Re. subtitles, as the recorded and live sections of Countryfile are seperate automation events each is just flagged with the appropriate type of subtitles

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