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(March 2014)

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MA
Maaixuew
Hi,

I realise that BBC Two had regions at some point (BBC Two North, South, etc), but do these still exist? I'm sure they were being used up to one point three years ago when BBC 2 was showing local news over Wimbledon.
WP
WillPS
No. BBC2 Digital never had regions (other than the Nations, which came in after the BBC Choice Nations finished c.2000).

The last time such an opt took place was 2009, when the CA had to make clear that the regional news would only be available on Analogue.
JO
Jonny
MA
Markymark
No. BBC2 Digital never had regions (other than the Nations, which came in after the BBC Choice Nations finished c.2000).

The last time such an opt took place was 2009, when the CA had to make clear that the regional news would only be available on Analogue.


And the sub regions (Oxford, Cambridge, Hull, Jersey) couldn't even opt on BBC 2 analogue, they were never equipped to.

Not sure about Tunbridge Wells ?
NG
noggin Founding member
Yes. In the analogue-only days, all English regions could opt out of BBC One and BBC Two - though some regions may have had issues opting out of both at the same time (Norwich had two pulse chains to allow different bits of the building to be genlocked to either network) I suspect those regions who were in the same buildings as they were in the 70s when English regions opted out to do their own presentation will have had the ability to do both, but those who moved in the late 80s may not?

When digital TV arrived, initially there were no English regional opts on BBC One or Two (UK Today filled the gaps and effectively created BBC One England.) Then the English regions were equipped with opt-out chains for BBC One DTT, and I think that the BBC Two English regional opt slot on BBC Two (Thursday at 7.30? which was filled with half-hour docs or "Out and About") was moved to BBC One and rebranded as Inside Out at around the same time, to remove the "BBC Two issue". There was never, AIUI, any plan to provide BBC Two digital opt-out functionality for the English regions. It was deemed too expensive for such a low amount of output.

AIUI the sub-regions were deemed, similarly, to not need a BBC Two analogue opt-chain (they had BBC One analogue and BBC One digital chains), as BBC Two regional output was being reduced (as it wasn't present on the increasingly popular BBC Two digital service).

I think Tunbridge Wells was built early enough that it DID have a BBC Two analogue opt-chain, but ISTR that the whole Tunbridge Wells distribution chain was a bit 'different' to most other regions (i.e. not quite as gold plated) because it was a new region that didn't fit into an existing distribution infrastructure.
CH
chris
Was there ever a plan for BBC Choice English regions seeing as there was for a period variants for the nations?

And could someone also explain the point of BBC 2W? I've tried looking online and it is very confusing.
MA
Markymark
There was never, AIUI, any plan to provide BBC Two digital opt-out functionality for the English regions. It was deemed too expensive for such a low amount of output.


I think there might have been, in the provisional plans drawn up in the late 90s. I beleive bay space was allocated for two DTT opt out chains per region, and someone posted a long time ago (in u.t.b) that the second chain space at So'ton ended up being used for Oxford (probably the same at Plymouth and Leeds ?)

How did Norwich/Cambs work for DTT, I know there was all that jiggery pokery on the roof of Adenbrookes Hosp and Sandy Heath for analogue, but DTT....?
GM
Gary McEwan
I think it was launched back in 2001 and was only on air for a couple of hours and the rest of the time was mainly. The only thing I remember from it was Wales Today and Sport Extra on 2W. The rest of the UK were able to view as well on Sky
JO
Jon
chris posted:
Was there ever a plan for BBC Choice English regions seeing as there was for a period variants for the nations?

And could someone also explain the point of BBC 2W? I've tried looking online and it is very confusing.

Wasn't it just to allow additional Welsh content that couldn't squeeze onto BBC Two Wales?
GM
Gary McEwan
And this was the start up of 2W....

MA
Markymark
I think it was launched back in 2001 and was only on air for a couple of hours and the rest of the time was mainly. The only thing I remember from it was Wales Today and Sport Extra on 2W. The rest of the UK were able to view as well on Sky


It was the DTT/D-Sat version of BBC 2 Wales, so it differed to BBC 2 Wales analogue at times, more opt outs than its analogue cousin, it died a death during Wales DSO 2009/10 can't remember the point it reached partity
with BBC 2 Wales analogue ? I don't think it lasted quite as long as S4C analogue, which went up the day Wales' last analogue Tx shut down.
RD
rdd Founding member
As I understand it, it was devised as a way of keeping some of the content of the BBC Choice nations alive. BBC Northern Ireland did something similar for a while with BBC Two NI, but it's idents were in a similar style to the yellow idents used by the network at the time so the difference was less noticeable. Very oddly during the period of BBC Two NI's existence, the analogue BBC Two Northern Ireland service was branded without a regional name, as if it were the network feed! Things went back to normal once the two were merged

I don't think there was any equivalent Scottish service, was there?

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