The Newsroom

Cargo Plane BOMB PLOT Coverage

(October 2010)

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MA
Markymark
Chie posted:
I've never seen such an excessively overblown story in my life.


Yes, cargo planes filled with bombs cleverly disguised as everyday objects. Not worth worrying about is it.


' Filled with bombs' ?, Ummm.
MI
Michael
Chie posted:
I've never seen such an excessively overblown story in my life.


Yes, cargo planes filled with bombs cleverly disguised as everyday objects. Not worth worrying about is it.


' Filled with bombs' ?, Ummm.


Yes Mark that's how you load a plane with cargo, you fill it.

I didn't say filled "to the brim" or "filled up" - I just said filled. Besides, just one of these bombs is dangerous and could bring a plane down. It (apparently) took 450g of explosive to bring down PanAm 103.

But yes, the target may not have been the plane itself. Let's let it be and send it on to those Jews in Chicago. They're not worth worrying about, are they? Shocked
MO
Moz
Chie posted:
The highlight of the BBC's coverage was an 'expert' describing East Midlands Airport as a "provincial airfield".

But it is. What's wrong with that?
MA
Markymark
Chie posted:
I've never seen such an excessively overblown story in my life.


Yes, cargo planes filled with bombs cleverly disguised as everyday objects. Not worth worrying about is it.


' Filled with bombs' ?, Ummm.


Yes Mark that's how you load a plane with cargo, you fill it.

I didn't say filled "to the brim" or "filled up" - I just said filled. Besides, just one of these bombs is dangerous and could bring a plane down. It (apparently) took 450g of explosive to bring down PanAm 103.

But yes, the target may not have been the plane itself. Let's let it be and send it on to those Jews in Chicago. They're not worth worrying about, are they? Shocked


Calm down, calm down, your last suggestion is slightly hysterical.

I agree a plane with explosives on board, particularly assembled into a bomb, is a definitely a cause for concern, but the issue needs to be put in perspective. From what I saw from BBC News coverage last night, was ghoulish speculation.

It probably isn't the first time such a thing has happened, various nutters have sent, and still do, send letter and parcel bombs within the UK, l bet some of those have been transported on planes too.
MI
Michael
You're talking about news organisations which dedicate 100% rolling news coverage to whales swimming in rivers and men being pulled out of holes (although in that second instance I thought most of it was justified). Quelle surprise.
MA
Markymark
You're talking about news organisations which dedicate 100% rolling news coverage to whales swimming in rivers and men being pulled out of holes (although in that second instance I thought most of it was justified). Quelle surprise.


Fair point Cool
SC
Schwing
Some of the comments on this thread beggar belief. To suggest that the Home Secretary doesn't know what's going on is wholly inappropriate, as is the notion that this is a story that has been exaggerated and given undue media attention.

David posted:
If you read beyond the headlines you get things like this... UK Home Secretary Theresa May said, "The target may have been an aircraft and, had it detonated, the aircraft could have been brought down". It sounds like she doesn't know.


Actually, David, if you read the statement and observe the correct usage of grammar and punctuation, it's a valid comment made by the Home Secretary; given the suspicion yesterday that a UPS truck was carrying a parcel with a similar device, it is possible that the plane was NOT the target. In fact, given that the parcels were addressed to synagogues in the Chicago area and were sent presumably by Al-Qaeda, it is logical to doubt that the target was a plane. Equally, had the bomb detonated whilst in the air, it is possible that it MAY NOT have caused the plane to explode/crash. At this time, when so little is known for certain, it is reasonable that governments have not rushed to comment or speculate.

I don't think she does! Yesterday they were saying the package found at East Midlands was not explosive, but 'suspicious in nature'.

President Obama was the first person to confirm that it was actually an explosive, with a detonator.


Who is 'they'? The Home Secretary did NOT say that the package at East Midlands airport was not explosive, nor did the Home Office or the Government. That statement in fact came from Leicestershire Police; given that they had a) evacuated the depot and investigated the parcel at 3.30am and declared it safe, and b) had evacuated the depot again in the afternoon and declared it safe, I'd take any comment by Leicestershire Police on the matter with a dose of salt.

For the record, President Obama was not the first to confirm that it was an explosive; Fox News, MSNBC and CBS News had sources from the US government on the record (though unnamed) as confirming the existence of explosive material 90 minutes beforehand.

Chie posted:
I've never seen such an excessively overblown story in my life.

The highlight of the BBC's coverage was an 'expert' describing East Midlands Airport as a "provincial airfield".


I want to say how distasteful I find your comment about the story being 'overblown', especially given the possibilities of the story. I can't, however, as I struggled earlier in this post to say that the story had not been 'blown out' of all proportion. In all honesty, though, the story is not overblown. This is a story that was sat upon by the broadcasters throughout Friday; the BBC, ABC, CBS and CNN were aware of the security scare at the UPS depot but did not report it out of good faith and concern for safety. When it was reported, along with other events, it was done so in a measured way and an abundance of caution. The implications of this development are outstanding: if Al-Qaeda could target cargo planes owned and operated by UPS and FedEx for a 24-hour period it would bring about significant disruption to trade patterns and flows around the world and cause problems on the bourses and markets for 48 hours at minimum. The economic impact would be far greater than any bomb being detonated. It also raises another issue; given that some companies and carriers pay for space on commercial airlines, it would have posed an even greater risk had the device been on a shuttle service from London to Paris or London to New York. Of course, this is on the basis that the target was an aircraft. The targets may have been the synagogues in Chicago, at which point the story would have been equally as important for its geopolitical and religious element.
DA
David
Some of the comments on this thread beggar belief. To suggest that the Home Secretary doesn't know what's going on is wholly inappropriate, as is the notion that this is a story that has been exaggerated and given undue media attention.

David posted:
If you read beyond the headlines you get things like this... UK Home Secretary Theresa May said, "The target may have been an aircraft and, had it detonated, the aircraft could have been brought down". It sounds like she doesn't know.


Actually, David, if you read the statement and observe the correct usage of grammar and punctuation, it's a valid comment made by the Home Secretary; given the suspicion yesterday that a UPS truck was carrying a parcel with a similar device, it is possible that the plane was NOT the target.


Of course it is possible that the plane wasn't the target, we don't know what the target was and according to her statement, neither does the Home Secretary. I copied and pasted that part of her statement from BBC News, I did not change the grammar or punctuation.

In fact, given that the parcels were addressed to synagogues in the Chicago area and were sent presumably by Al-Qaeda, it is logical to doubt that the target was a plane. Equally, had the bomb detonated whilst in the air, it is possible that it MAY NOT have caused the plane to explode/crash.


Yes, I am fully aware of what she said. You really don't need to explain it. I notice you have also used words like 'may not', 'possible', 'presumably' and 'doubt' too. It is because despite all the coverage this has been given, you and I are none the wiser as to what actually happened either.

At this time, when so little is known for certain, it is reasonable that governments have not rushed to comment or speculate.


The government have commented and have speculated in the form of what Theresa May said. She either didn't know any extra detail or at least wasn't letting on that she knew any extra detail. Why say anything at all? Of course, we know the answer, she spoke to keep the media happy. Particulary the papers who would be the first to criticise her if she had kept quiet.
CH
Chie
Yes Mark that's how you load a plane with cargo, you fill it.

I didn't say filled "to the brim" or "filled up" - I just said filled. Besides, just one of these bombs is dangerous and could bring a plane down. It (apparently) took 450g of explosive to bring down PanAm 103.


The chances of this remotely detonated Al-Queda-made device going off in the air were approximate to zero.

But yes, the target may not have been the plane itself. Let's let it be and send it on to those Jews in Chicago. They're not worth worrying about, are they? Shocked


The unexpected arrival of a printer from the Yemen would have raised suspicion. The person who planned to denote the shoddy bomb by mobile phone would not have known where the parcel was at any given time. It is therefore very unlikely the device would have killed the intended recipients.

But let's not get bogged down in logic shall we. Let's do the terrorists' job for them by terrifying half the world even though it was never going to happen anyway! (And if it did it would've killed three or four people.)
MW
Mike W
Chie posted:
Yes Mark that's how you load a plane with cargo, you fill it.

I didn't say filled "to the brim" or "filled up" - I just said filled. Besides, just one of these bombs is dangerous and could bring a plane down. It (apparently) took 450g of explosive to bring down PanAm 103.


The chances of this remotely detonated Al-Queda-made device going off in the air were approximate to zero.

But yes, the target may not have been the plane itself. Let's let it be and send it on to those Jews in Chicago. They're not worth worrying about, are they? Shocked


The unexpected arrival of a printer from the Yemen would have raised suspicion. The person who planned to denote the shoddy bomb by mobile phone would not have known where the parcel was at any given time. It is therefore very unlikely the device would have killed the intended recipients.

But let's not get bogged down in logic shall we. Let's do the terrorists' job for them by terrifying half the world even though it was never going to happen anyway! (And if it did it would've killed three or four people.)


How would you know they don't have an insider? Monitoring the post and deliveries.
CH
Chie
Because it's wannabe Al-Qaeda. They're rubbish, and the substantial risk involved far outweighs the very faint possibility of a paltry reward. If half a dozen people are found to be involved in the plot and they only kill one or two people, or none at all if the shoddy bomb fails, as they usually do, it's not a very good result for them is it?
MI
Michael
Chie posted:
The unexpected arrival of a printer from the Yemen would have raised suspicion.


A UPS man comes to the door and goes "Parcel for you" - you usually open the parcel before finding out its something you didn't order.

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The person who planned to denote the shoddy bomb by mobile phone would not have known where the parcel was at any given time.


Ever heard of parcel tracking? You log on to the internet, type in a code and you get a fairly accurate idea of which stage of the journey your parcel is at. Sometimes you even see the name of the person who unloaded it from the van.

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It is therefore very unlikely the device would have killed the intended recipients.


It is likely however it could have brought down a plane.

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But let's not get bogged down in logic shall we. Let's do the terrorists' job for them by terrifying half the world even though it was never going to happen anyway! (And if it did it would've killed three or four people.)


Imagine if you were one of those three or four. You'd be concerned.

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