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PE
Pete Founding member
I think you can noggin! The low grid also means that it's in shot in virtually every wide they go for. Acres of black floor and black grid isn't IMO a great look.


I worked out if I stood on the sofa I could touch the lights. It is very very very low. Far lower than it looks on TV.
ST
Stuart
If you're only going to use a sofa and a business/weather spot and a multi-purpose presentation area then the studio doesn't need to be very big. They only used half of TC7 - it gave me the impression of being rather empty and impersonal.

Admittedly, the studio in Salford is a weird shape: but I think they use it to maximum effect. The do some good shots in/out of the regional opts which give the impression of more space.

I don't think it really matters to Joe Public that the lighting grid is very low.
DE
deejay
There might not be much scenery in the 'empty' part of the studio, but it matters a great deal to the sort of shot you can get, the kind of depth and ultimately, the look of the programme. Extra spacing between where the set is and where the presenters sit means better depth to shots, and gives more room for shadows to fall out of shot onto the floor. Good height also means the lighting angles are better (low ceiling height means low lamps, which can mean lots of shadows fall onto the set, particularly if the set is very close to the presenters.)
DK
DanielK
Surely turning the sofa area either 45 or 90 degrees anti-clockwise would give a better/deeper shot?
MO
Moz
They'd be better off abandoning the whole disaster and moving back to London.
AM
amosc100
Moz posted:
They'd be better off abandoning the whole disaster and moving back to London.

What disaster?

When it was in London it had the same number of down-the-line feeds to Westminster and everywhere else, just like as it comes from Salford, Even the guests are as of the high calibre - just because they are London based does not mean they are better!

Ratings for the programme are just as strong, if not stronger and the presenters are well established, now, and well liked by viewers and guests alike!!!

So to say it is a disaster is completely wrong and possibly shows a bit of jealousy!

From my own point of view, moving it from London has helped it get closer to the majority of British people who do NOT live in the capital, as it now features more "national" reports rather than London-centric reports.
NG
noggin Founding member

I don't think it really matters to Joe Public that the lighting grid is very low.


Low lighting grids significantly reduce your flexibility in studio and/or your overall quality of output in picture quality terms. The grid itself may not be an issue - but the effects of it can be.

I think Breakfast do a very good job in a less than ideal space. However I'm sure if there were offered a space with a higher grid, they wouldn't say no to it...
NG
noggin Founding member
I think you can noggin! The low grid also means that it's in shot in virtually every wide they go for. Acres of black floor and black grid isn't IMO a great look.

They could do a massive jib swing in that empty space, could look impressive (rather than small and stuffy) if done right.


So are we adding camera expert to your list of titles and qualifications?

I have a feeling you don't really know what you're talking about.

Laughing Its simple? A swing, from right over to the left of the set, where the sofa is ?


And how many keys would you go through in doing so?

Where would you place the base and how long an arm would you have?
Last edited by noggin on 11 September 2014 12:40am
CA
Cando
Moz posted:
They'd be better off abandoning the whole disaster and moving back to London.

What are you on about?

31 days later

AN
Andrew Founding member
Wasn't impressed by the way breakfast pretty much crashed off air at 9:45am on BBC One this morning, since they've been News Channel only it's as if half the crew have left as well. The autocue looked to have failed, they filled with a long chat about clouds and Naga is having to hold it all together as lead presenter.
MW
Mike W
Moz posted:
They'd be better off abandoning the whole disaster and moving back to London.

What disaster?

When it was in London it had the same number of down-the-line feeds to Westminster and everywhere else, just like as it comes from Salford, Even the guests are as of the high calibre - just because they are London based does not mean they are better!

Ratings for the programme are just as strong, if not stronger and the presenters are well established, now, and well liked by viewers and guests alike!!!

So to say it is a disaster is completely wrong and possibly shows a bit of jealousy!

From my own point of view, moving it from London has helped it get closer to the majority of British people who do NOT live in the capital, as it now features more "national" reports rather than London-centric reports.


You're talking crap and you know it. It's gone from being in a big black box in London with lots of screens, to being in a big black box in Salford with lots of screens. Only instead of London based toffs telling us what's what, we get Manchester based ones. It's no different and was just a waste of money.
Last edited by Mike W on 11 October 2014 10:11pm
TR
TROGGLES
Moz posted:
They'd be better off abandoning the whole disaster and moving back to London.

What disaster?

When it was in London it had the same number of down-the-line feeds to Westminster and everywhere else, just like as it comes from Salford, Even the guests are as of the high calibre - just because they are London based does not mean they are better!

Ratings for the programme are just as strong, if not stronger and the presenters are well established, now, and well liked by viewers and guests alike!!!

So to say it is a disaster is completely wrong and possibly shows a bit of jealousy!

From my own point of view, moving it from London has helped it get closer to the majority of British people who do NOT live in the capital, as it now features more "national" reports rather than London-centric reports.


You're talking crap and you know it. It's gone from being in a big black box in London with lots of screens, to being in a big black box in Salford with lots of screens. Only instead of London based toffs telling us what's what, we get Manchester based ones. It's no different and was just a waste of money.


If you accept the move was political and waste of money - and most people do - the programme as a whole hasn't suffered. The point I would make is that nothing has been gained. Nothing has improved by the wider Salford move. If moving productions North was such a good idea, why for instance would you shoot a northern comedy 'still open all hours' at the Teddington Studios?

Its very expensive political cobblers - instead of money spent on programming and therefore industry jobs its gone on buildings which are, in the case of Salford, badly designed and expensive to lease.

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