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BBC to move more roles outwith London

It's a shame, Cardiff and Manchester are good places to be. Vibrant, modern cities.
Birmingham? Well, it's only 90 mins from London on the train.


Yeah, god knows why anyone would want to live in a city about to host the Commonwealth Games and next day to the city hosting the UK City of Culture...
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New BBC One North

The same argument that people don't have anything in common with their neighbours is just as common in London where there's zero affinity between someone who lives in Croydon and another in Enfield as there is between the rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester.


Nothing personal but that right there is exactly the problem with diagnosing the North through a London/South East lense. It's also why we tend to get well-meaning but utterly wrong prescriptions.

Someone who lives in Croydon and someone who lives in Enfield are both Londoners. That's a big thing to have in common. They both go into central London for shopping, entertainment and, more often than not, employment.

Liverpool and Manchester are two of the next largest cities in the country which are fairly close to each other in a UK context but still very distinct. I live in Liverpool, shop in Liverpool and, back when we lived in a somewhat free society, socialised in Liverpool. I very rarely go to Manchester for anything.

And so, like itsrobert, I have to ask what do I have in common with York or Newcastle that I don't with, say, Birmingham, which is closer? Or, indeed, North Wales, which is right on our doorstep.

Ask anyone in Liverpool what could the BBC do to cover them better and no one, I repeat, NO ONE, will say more continuity announcements from Salford. Let's face it, even the Scotland/Wales/NI continuity is at least as much a political wheeze as a practical one.

And again, Liverpool, despite being one of the largest and culturally distinct cities in the country, is not in the national conversation, as per usual. It goes without saying that none of the boondoggles in terms of department relocations will be heading this way but rather to the same two or three favoured cities outside London. I've long come to expect nothing different there but come on: if they were remotely serious, they'd finally take a look at how Liverpool is accommodated for in the local news provision.

BBC North West is the largest region, household-wise in the country, after London. Liverpool people think it's too Manchester-centric, Manchester folk think Liverpool is featured too much and everyone north of Wigan feel they hear too much about both places. If they wanted to do something more like France 3 (comparing Picardy to the whole North of England is a joke) then they'd seriously look at a way of providing sub-opts, at least for Liverpool/Merseyside but perhaps also Lancashire. Similar perhaps should be done for Sheffield/South Yorkshire and I would say Scotland and perhaps Wales also.

Additionally, they should devolve all regional output, giving each region a set budget, removing the "English Regions" layer while they're at it. Then, each region decides its priorities, whether that be providing regional continuity, having two news anchors or commissioning a new look for the news without worrying about being forced to drop it within months by someone in London (or Birmingham) who wants it to look identical to equivalent programmes in other parts of the country.

All that would be truly transformative. Alas, this is no doubt merely a political wheeze. With a year or two, some overqualified fixer will likely come into the corporation to find savings and comes up with the novel idea of not having a separate BBC One for the North. And he/she will be able to retire comfortably due to coming up with such a genius idea.

Please excuse the long post and my cynicism.

Well said, Mr Kite. I completely agree with everything you have said. The rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester runs very deep for historical and cultural reasons to name but two. I'm guessing that unless you live here it's very hard to understand quite how diverse this region is. When I said earlier that I live in Liverpool, that is not strictly true and this complicates matters for me even further. I live on the outskirts of Liverpool. I have an L postcode and phone number but I am not within the remit of Liverpool City Council. I can turn out of my street one way and hear Scouse accents and if I turn the other way, within a few hundred yards, it's a completely different accent altogether. It's really quite incredible. So, for people to think that Liverpool and Manchester are even remotely alike is wrong. Even the people in between can be quite different again!

I do think that the idea of a BBC One North is a good one. It's at least a step in the right direction. As a northerner, it can become quite tiring to see and hear so much that is very London-centric all the time. However, the idea that people in Liverpool are in any way in the same boat as people in Durham is ludicrous. But, I suppose beggars can't be choosers and we should just be grateful that we will have a BBC One that reflects us a bit better than the current arrangement does.


Just to echo that, the differences even within the space of a city centre (Manchester/Salford) can be quite telling. That said, the BBC finally have a tangible commitment beyond the show pony of Breakfast based outside London is, for me, a good first step.

I've heard a few responses noting the problems of obtaining an interview when sections aren't in London and it really does amaze me that there's an assumption that it's individual journalists who obtain footage etc. London will always be a hub and always retain that footprint but it's right that commissioning and editorial does stray outside those bubbles, even if it's a little uncomfortable to begin with and even if it means teams being reconfigured.
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BBC to move more roles outwith London

Josh posted:
Here is the obligatory post about how the 2018 Olympics studio should be used for Morning Live:
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Those poses indicate a press picture, but why is there a blind fitter in the background?


Or... a production crew member just getting a snap...
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New BBC One North

I think this is an interesting idea. I’m intrigued as to how much difference there’ll actually be between the network feed and the North one.

“After’t One Show it’s whippet racing live from Wigan with Dickie Bird”

I wonder if it’ll lead to some “rationalisation” of the nations at the same time?


I agree too. This isn't based from a position of insight, but if you did really want to differentiate BBC One North from other areas then I do think presentation will be key. Having Northern CAs will be nice, but a missed golden opportunity not to commission a series of regionally focused idents to really hit home the difference.

Personally, I think this is an important step. This is a national institution so I see it as only right that it reflects the whole nation in every aspect of its work.
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BBC to move more roles outwith London

Personally, I think this is a disruptive but really welcome development.

I think some thought really needs to go into this - not just moving one team (say Education) or one programme (News at 1, say).

If there’s a real appetite for some devolved thinking then there are some units (politics) which seem to have a need for a London base, but I’d pose the question of which other depts have as strong a ‘space and place’ claim and flip it.
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BBC News nostalgia, including BBC World

Yeah the 10 second countdown was special, it had that gravitas that we were watching the international news channel from the BBC, and imho hasn’t been surpassed since.

In fact the original music package was also the best, it was way better turn anything on the domestic news channels, but never made sense to me why the music was so much more enhanced for BBC World.


I have always felt that maybe David Lowe was requested to have a more conservative approach for network bulletins (and, to some degree, News 24).
Nowadays everything sound practically the same which is a pity.


I think the writing was on the wall in 2007 when the finishing drum roll on the main theme became much louder.

It's much more in your face and, although I like it musically, I'm not sure it works for me on news bulletins.


Almost like they're going for coherence in their (non) visual language...
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The BBC World News Thread

Sorry, I meant the channel, not the simulcasts.

Well, we already got the BBC News channel, so there's no need for two BBC News channels here in the UK.

Well 20 years ago certainly we could have done with both channels they were distinct and at arms length, not anymore though,


I mean, presentationally it was interesting, but, it's not like the content featured on BBC World didn't make its way through to domestic audiences. One of the upsides of the merging of various teams has been a sharing (much more readily) of content between channels but I do still think - for the average viewer twenty years ago - they wouldn't have seen any huge difference beyond a few nicer looking graphics and 'News in brief' which didn't geographically focus on 'the west'.
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The BBC Coat of Arms

There was a time when we were greeted by the wonderful BBC coat of arms at the start of the news. It did also occasionally appear on other TV shows. But what shows did it feature on and when did it stop actually being used on screen and in print to promote the corporation and why?

It's a lovely piece of artwork and with some modern graphic design touches and some basic recolouring could work well these days.


Well, if i'm honest, Coats of Arms are all a bit Eton when the rest of the world is kind of TV dinners, hun.
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The BBC World News Thread

Does that mean bbc world news will finally be in UK?


It is as part-time service between 10am-11am, 7pm-8pm, 9pm-10pm & 11pm-6am

Sorry I meant the channel not the simulcasts


I mean, apart from the on screen text being ever so slightly different, it is the same. I really can't imagine a situation in which UK viewers would see BBC News and BBC World News (as stand alone channels) next to each other; it'd be confusing.

As for whether it's available on other platforms (ie. online), again, I'd really struggle to see a rationale as for why you'd want to take viewers away from the main BBC News brand.
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TVF Confessions

Well, in for a penny...

Most local BBC Radio stations audio imaging is an absolute car crash. I won't begin on the visual (lack of) language. BBC CWR (yes, a name from the 1980s is really going to do it) is a prime example. Truly North Norfolk Digital.

Real is always better than fake. In that vein, I've never understood the World News use of a virtual background of a London skylight. In a basement. Looks washed out and naff.

Victoria Derbyshire programme. I'm sure you can guess what I'm going to say.
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TVF Confessions

Honestly? The 'hair quiff' look to BBC News was absolutely dire. Never understood why the globe had that ice-cream sundae of shapes slapped on top of it.
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…and finally

Well, it'd be remiss of me not to say thank you to Asa - as well as so many of you - who have made this a genuinely fascinating place. Thank you.


I was waiting for you to pop-up! Hope all well.


Aww, thanks James. Yeap. All good. How're you? Bit of a shocker this.